August 27, 2005
Rusty Responds to 'Fan Mail' from Dubai
Here is a letter I received from Dubai. I thought you might like to read it. Notice how the self-proclaimed not an antisemite accuses me of being a J-O-O.
Dear sir,
Ive visited your website, n i read almost everything u have there. Dont u think ur too biased?
Karim,
Yes, I am biased. This is my personal website reflecting my personal opinions. By definition, then, this site is biased.
Im an arab muslim who lives in the United Arab Emirates, in Dubai.. You
probably odnt know where that is, cause Americans are too busy to think of
the outside world normally, unless it concerns energy probllems. Dubai is one of the only 5-Star cities in the world (There are only 5 5-star cities).
I know where the UAE and Dubai is. Nice place. I believe Michael Jackson is there now. Of course, by 'nice place' I mean nice as long as you stay within specially designated zones where we infidels are allowed to act like infidels. I'm not so sure I would like the rest of your country where I could not openly practice my chosen religion of South Park Universalistic Hedonism (Missouri Synod). I am required to shout 'Allah is a Buddhist' three times a day at the top of my lungs or I will be excommunicated.
Many foreigners live here, Including European and American people, who happen to love it here.
Personally I'm more into liberty than making a buck, but I understand the allure. The beaches, from what I've seen, look pretty kick ass. Any topless ones?
Dont you think you make us all sound like people who are ready to put guns to the heads of every american and kill them ?
No, I do not. I certainly hope not, at least.
I Have numerous American and English friends who would disagree. I love my american friends, ive lived with them almost all my life, we share respect and trust, and so do our families. We do not seperate Muslims from Christians (that is one of the biggest sins in Islam by the way), we do not see things that way.
I guess you are not a good Muslim then, or at least not a traditionalist, since the Quran and Hadiths explicitly place Christians not living in second-class dhimmi status as part of dar al-harb--a seperate nation. Perhaps you are a reform minded liberal Muslim who has rejected Sharia, most of the Hadiths, most traditional interpretations of the Quran, and has decided to join the 21st Century? I hope so.
We are all peacefull people, who happen to be ill-treated by your government.
Since when has the U.S. government done anything harmful to the people of the United Arab Emirites? Oh, by 'we' you mean 'Muslims'. I thought you didn't seperate people and that was like a big sin or something?
Look at Palestine. Israelis Have been destroying the homes of familes whos sons have suicide bombed places in Israel. U might think "hey, they deserveit, let the bastards take it all, "
Yes, I do. I only wish they made bigger tractors. Hey, how do you people in the UAE treat Jews? Oh, wait, all of them were forced to leave.
But What do u think it takes a man to decide to suicide and kill himself?! Lots of guts, and desperation.
Very true. And hatred. And faith that Allah will accept him into paradise for killing Jews.
Desperation caused by Israeli Forces who kill children and familes, and let kids watch their parents rot infront of them while they surround their house.
Then perhaps the fathers should not be terrorists? That would go a long way in solving that problem.
You dont know a thing about what we fell, you just look at the Israeli perspective.. your probably a jew too, and i dont mean it as an insult.
Again with the we thing. I don't take it as one. I'm not a Jew, although I'm cut, but I would count myself in good company if I was one. Did you know that Natalee Portman is a Jew? Not that it's important, but I'd definitely convert for a pice of that. And if you don't mean it as an insult, then why make the accusation? Unless you think there is something wrong with that?
You have to open your eyes. Your people are rated the most close-minded people on earth, and yes you are.
I'm sure the people of the UAE are much more open minded. I have a Bible, a Book of Mormon, a Theravada, and a Rig-Veda sitting around the office. How about I come to your country and pass them out on the street? Since your people are so 'open-minded' let's see what kind of reaction I would get.
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"While it is true that the Caliphate was at one time much more civilized and peaceful than the Western European countries, that time has gone and past long-long ago."
I would not even concede that, Rusty. I so often hear that Islam contibuted this or that...algebra, brought back aristotle, astronomy...in my view, Islam is totalitarian communism in the guise of religion. Algebra was a pagan Persian invention...the concept of zero came from the Hindu...and the bastards invaded Greece. It is nothing more, nor has ever been, anything but a failed ideology, a disgusting, misogynistic abberation that needs to be flushed down the big white toilet of history. It was never more peaceful of civilized; that is just bullshit.
Posted by: Mr. K at August 27, 2005 06:19 PM (aFc8I)
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Karim,
if you don't want people to think you're terrorists then stop acting like big jackasses.
Stay on our good side and you'll prosper. Get on our bad side and we'll squash you.
Posted by: Carlos at August 27, 2005 06:36 PM (3Df08)
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wow...karim means "generous hero" in arabic, and it is one of the principle "names of God" in the Qu'ran. I think karim was neither generous, heroic, nor godly in his dealings with you, Dr. Shackleford.
I wonder if Karim is really a muslim....
Posted by: matoko kusanagi at August 27, 2005 06:37 PM (s4jJk)
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For one thing, Karim is terribly misinformed about things that happen around Israel. Bad things have been done "to" each side "by" each side there. Albeit, one side is vastly more violent.
And he is taking our insults against terrorism and those who commit terrorism personally. Why, Karim?
If this is his way of reaching out to us so that we will better understand him, why does he begin by insulting us with
"You probably odnt(sic) know where that is, cause Americans are too busy to think of the outside world normally, ..."? For Karim to announce that we are all so close-minded he's being awfully closed-minded. If he loves his American friends so much, why would he think the rest of us are any different?
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 06:58 PM (YudAC)
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What is a "five star" city? I guess that's supposed to be pretty spiffy. Is it a Michelin rating ?
Posted by: D. Carter at August 27, 2005 08:30 PM (xT77+)
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Yeppers, those gender segregated beaches in the UAE are soooo nice. And, just think, they are in the process of getting shod of the forced children jockeys. Isn't that nice and progressive? Karim, what status would I, as a Jewess, have visiting the UAE? What say I wanted to live there, what then? Would you sponsor me or would I just be another cast off along those awful pothole streets of Dubai?
Posted by: Bubbe at August 27, 2005 10:18 PM (cbAi4)
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Typical shallow minded sand monkey. Brain washed by his stupid religion.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 27, 2005 10:35 PM (CBNGy)
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How do you go a whole post discussing the differences between Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed, and not make some note of the contributions to world peace made by Sea Man?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at August 27, 2005 10:56 PM (Edjzk)
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but on the other hand, of all the things to do in the world, he wrote to Rusty.
Posted by: Jane at August 27, 2005 11:01 PM (ywZa8)
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I recently had breakfast with Karim... Ofwheat.
Posted by: Jason Smith at August 28, 2005 02:30 AM (TwSjW)
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Some Italian guy kissed his Egyptian sweetheart in the back of a taxi and someone reported it. He got fined a lot of money $3000!!!! - Can't kiss in Dubai??!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4132801.stm
Man I get so friggin mad thinking about the commie bastards swarming in the beehive in my back 40 - I'm going to nail that basketball-sized hive!! Don't they ever give up??
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at August 28, 2005 08:14 AM (ffEoA)
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DSM still lives???...daym but i hope that next hive is full of really pissed off killer bees....hhhmmmmm, think ill go listen to that same named Anthrax CD...Attack of the Killer B's
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 28, 2005 03:45 PM (hcN1S)
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The most distressing aspect of your mail from Karim is that he is the very kind of Moderate Muslim we hear so much about and are depending on to help us defeat the Islamic fascists. When even a "Moderate Muslim" cannot accept that the Muslims have any responsibility for their current straits and appears to not even recognize his own anti-Semitism, the prospects of containing the Jihadists seems dim. Golda Meir said, "we will have peace when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate ours." Sadly, we are still a very long way from peace.
Posted by: ShrinkWrapped at August 28, 2005 05:00 PM (hb2K2)
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When dealing with people from those countries one has to be aware that they are all inbred since centuries. The vast mojority is married to 1-degree and second-degree relatives.
What inbreeding does is debilitating to the mind (hence the decompartmentalization of arab personalities, they don't see where they are wrong, their mind doesn't have the capacity to oversee all it's parts) and it produces overaggressivness.
Both is clearly visible in these humans.
Posted by: Werner at August 28, 2005 11:10 PM (SEhIY)
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I lived in the UAE for six years. Nice place. First off I do not recall any gender separated beaches in Dubai. They are not not even segregated in strict Sharjah. I spent some time on the Jumairah beach (with my wife to be and a friend of hers) and some time sipping ginnentonics on the beaches of Khorfakhan and Fujairah.
It is a big secret but I do recall seeing Jews in the UAE, my uncle for one and a buddy of mine talked about this Jewish woman who made tons of money currency trading for one of the sheiks. Both were treated better than the average Palestinian is. A lot of lip service, oh the Palestinians but I recall one fellow of Palestinian in my office being run out of the country due to security concerns. However, an Israeli stamp in the passport was a problem if your sponsor did not want to help you out of the bind.
Dubai is indeed a great city. The best ribs I have had I ate in a place called Billy Blues (I forget which hotel) in Dubai.
Yes, some of what the UAE does is silly (the ultra hotels and the manmade island project) but it is a good place to live, provided you have the right passport. Five stars? Says who?
I did not live in Dubai, but about 1-1/4 hour drive away in Al-Ain which was on the UAE Oman border (and its Omani sister sister city was Al-Buraimi). The American ex-pats I ran into where overwhelingly to the left (from a little to a lottle) of the political center.
Cheers.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at August 29, 2005 12:05 AM (R3XWj)
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Rusty,
Khorosho!
(Towards the end, some of the Karim's words are not italicized.)
Posted by: The Commissar at August 29, 2005 06:19 PM (6w5HI)
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August 26, 2005
12% Say US Troop Withdrawal Will Stop Terror Attacks
Looks as though "Momma" Sheehan
doesn't even have a respectable minority that agree with "her" stance on Iraq.
August 26, 2005--Just 12% of Americans believe that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq will stop terror attacks like the summer bombings in London. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 71% disagree and say that troop withdrawal will not lead to an end of terrorist attacks.
The survey also found that 54% of Americans believe the situation will get worse in Iraq if U.S. troops are withdrawn. Twenty percent (20%) believe the situation will get better in Iraq if American troops leave, while 15% believe that bringing home the troops will have no impact.
Fifty-nine percent (59%) of men believe a troop withdrawal will make the situation worse. That view is shared by 48% of women.
There is a sharp partisan difference on this question. By a 4-to-1 margin, both Republicans and those not affiliated with either major party say that the situation will get worse in Iraq if U.S. troops are withdrawn.
Pretty low percentage considering that at least 12% of the population believe they have been abducted by aliens.
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Rusty:
Pretty low percentage considering that at least 12% of the population believe they have been abducted by aliens.
To quote the great Norm Crosby: "I resemble that remark!" (Abducted by Aryan-looking aliens in 1976.) The way they get you is to wait until you lie down for a late afternoon nap with a hangover.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 09:55 PM (S4F23)
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Er... traderob, I mean.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 09:56 PM (S4F23)
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I lay down on da beach in Maui and find myself abducted here again, days later - what da hell is goin' on, mang?
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at August 26, 2005 10:43 PM (lKqPU)
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Could this mean the same 12% thinks the terrorists are aliens?
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:34 AM (YudAC)
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no the people who believe the terrorists are aliens dont necessarily believe that withdrawing from iraq will make them return to their home planet. they believe the terrorists are here to colonize the earth, and on that level, we have a fundamental agreement.
ps hi keith
Posted by: Jane at August 27, 2005 08:58 AM (M7kiy)
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Great, 12% of the population needs to be sterilized.
Posted by: elliott at August 27, 2005 02:39 PM (XlQVK)
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I've officially renamed the hurricane
From now on, it is to be referred to as "Katrina and the Waves"
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because you're walking on sunshine?
Posted by: caltechgirl at August 26, 2005 05:01 PM (ZqNBm)
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Yeah, well that girl came within 15 miles of my house. I have nothing kind to say about her.
Do you show similar affection for earthquakes

I think earthquakes are cute, in their own sort of way.
Posted by: bill at August 26, 2005 05:29 PM (7evkT)
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My wife beat ya to it by more than 24 hours, but she doesn't have a blog, so you get the credit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:00 PM (0yYS2)
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I hate that you thought of that before I did. Damn.
Posted by: Jim Rose at August 27, 2005 12:34 AM (IFM6E)
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:35 AM (YudAC)
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http://www.gigglechick.com/erin/blog/004528.php
Posted by: Howie at August 27, 2005 12:18 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: Rusty at August 27, 2005 04:13 PM (JQjhA)
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That's an easy one. How about naming it Katrina vanden Heuvel?? Wreaking vengeance on the red states....
Posted by: MKL at August 27, 2005 07:54 PM (UMmcc)
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Katrina that was the name of ICABOD CRANES girlfreind in THE LEGEND OF SLEEPY HOLLOW
Posted by: sandpiper at August 27, 2005 09:41 PM (GOyHB)
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Katrina. She's headed directly for my place. Damn commie Ruskies.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 27, 2005 10:39 PM (CBNGy)
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We Killed Fiddy al Qaeda
Are our soldiers as good as Cotton Hill claims? Apparently, yes. Fifty al Qaeda killed in single raid. AP:
U.S. warplanes launched multiple airstrikes Friday against a suspected "terrorist safe house" in the western Anbar province, destroying the building where up to 50 militants were believed to be hiding, the U.S. military said.
Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents that a number of members of the terror group Al-Qaida in Iraq had gathered in an abandoned building northeast of Husaybah, near the Syrian border about 200 miles west of Baghdad.
Let's hope that bitch Zarqawi was among them. Hat tip to
Chad Evans who notes that this is the second time this week that tips from locals have led to al Qaeda arrests/killings.
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But but but they're freeeeedom fighters! They enjoy the support of the peeeeepul! Blessed Mother Sheehan said so! The peeeeepul wouldn't inform on them! This must be chimpymchitlerbushburton propaganda! The JOOOOOOOOooooOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooooozzzzz are behind it all!!!
YEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 04:05 PM (0yYS2)
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What's the over/under on the number of Iraqis in that house?
I say 15
Posted by: CUS at August 26, 2005 04:10 PM (bbXZq)
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Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents
And in
an earlier post today:
Acting on tips from local Iraqis,
I love it.
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 04:20 PM (CouWh)
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That is fifty terrorists that we do not have to explain why they are being detained.
At what point will the ACLU figure this out and demand that they first have a trial before any bombs are dropped on them. I would think that the activites of the ACLU and others will shift military action from raiding the house and taking prisoners to just sending them back to allah and checking the ashes to see whats left on their hard drive.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 26, 2005 04:27 PM (RPY7Q)
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Bout time we act on information instead of procrastinating
and saying geez do you think we should get the people from moveon.org's OK. Or Maybe Cindy Sheehan and her followers should be asked iif it were OK.
I say when in doubt shoot them OUT!!
Posted by: Fry Daddy at August 26, 2005 04:34 PM (MElsG)
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I know I used to be a dumb "Grunt" but where did it say we killed *any* of the SOBs? I want to believe we have started killin them. Please help me, tell me which sentence said we killed any of the alien terrorists.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 26, 2005 06:14 PM (03F0I)
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Nooooo... it was a wedding! /sarcasm
Posted by: Ariya at August 26, 2005 07:19 PM (noCGr)
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lemme do a little imatation of Agammenon from the movie Troy with a little change in the words...."LET THEM BURN!!!!...LET THE TERRORISTS BURN!!!!"...nothing like some crispy critters
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (hcN1S)
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Yeah, everyone takes RPG's to weddings, don't they?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Wait! I thought Zarqawi was already dead? Or has he come back to life again?
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:38 AM (YudAC)
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What a disgrace. 50 of 'em and not one killed. No wonder we have been losing the last 7 months. Terrible.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 27, 2005 04:12 PM (LbyCD)
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It feels so good when jihadis die.
more please.
Posted by: Carlos at August 27, 2005 06:44 PM (3Df08)
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Who's been losing? Dummy!
Posted by: greyrooster at August 27, 2005 10:42 PM (CBNGy)
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50? That's nothin. Wait until the US backs off and the Kurds get their revenge (which you'll notice they've been warming up for).
Poor Sunni. Someone told them they'd have an advantage if they refused to participate in forming a representative government and just kept on killing Kurds and Shiites.
Maybe they'll start to figure out that their Syrian "friends" are more trouble for THEM than for the US. Not just the Kurds, but even Al-Sistani won't be able to hold back the Shiites forever from striking back.
The nerve of the US: trying to facilitate a representative government where the minority is protected. Oh well.
Too bad Bush didn't tell everyone to think carefully about who they sign on with. Oh wait, DID he?
Posted by: yoda at August 28, 2005 11:31 AM (6krEN)
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According to ding dong ding bat CINDY SHEEHAN these persons are freedom fighters now she is claiming to be in contact with her son in heaven i mean if she ever linked up with MICHEAL MOORE you would have DING BAT and MEAT HEAD
Posted by: sandpiper at August 28, 2005 02:07 PM (S97cI)
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It's Time to Take al Sadr Out
Too often our University trained military officers and State Department employees overlook the lessons of WWII and buy into the myth of diplomacy. By conceding ground to Muqtada al Sadr in an effort to have him 'buy in' to the process of creating a nation, we have let a dangerous man create a radical Islamist fiefdom. From
NRO:
Not long after, Sadr was implicated in a massacre in the gypsy village of Qawliya. His Mahdi army tried to abduct a woman accused of prostitution in order to try her in SadrÂ’s kangaroo religious court. When the men of the town resisted, 20 were killed and the town nearly leveled with machine guns, mortars, and RPGs, after which the survivors were beaten and tortured.
Sadr’s victims are not only his fellow Iraqis. The Mahdi army often attacks Coalition forces, on one occasion turning a Sadr City marketplace into a “300-meter-long-kill-zone” in a battle that claimed the life of Sgt. Yihjyh (Eddie) Chen. Many more Americans have died fighting his goons in Najaf and Karbala.
Sadr is accused of being a pawn of TehranÂ’s mullahs as well, helping them subvert the progress of Iraqi democracy. If military action is taken against IranÂ’s nuclear weapons program, SadrÂ’s Al-Mahdi militia could counterattack within Iraq.
One can only imagine how the restive Sunnis in central Iraq fear the prospect of SadrÂ’s growing influence. Why would they support a new Iraqi government that, favoring the Shiite majority as it must, might eventually make Sadr their de facto ruler?
Read it all. This Clinton W. Taylor dude is one sharp playah. It's surprising to learn he got through his grad school classes with an attitude like that. He must read the Jawa.
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Sadr is a useful tool to show the Sunnis that we aren't the enemy. Once we have the Sunnis back on the reservation, then it'll be time to go after Sadr. One fight at a time is the smart way to do it, enlisting allies from former enemies.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 04:07 PM (0yYS2)
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No. He filled his blue books with things he knew were wrong and did his dissertation on a plain vanilla topic. Bet me.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 26, 2005 06:20 PM (03F0I)
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I read a report recently that Sadr's goons are mixing it up with SCIRI. Looks to me like Tubby McFatwah has had a falling out with with his supporters in Iran, or possibly there's a power-struggle in Iran for control over their attempts to destabilize Iraq.
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Rod, WTF? Over. Did you post that to the wrong topic or did it just go over my head?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:03 PM (0yYS2)
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No - the Dr. said he wondered how he got through grad school. I am explaining to Rusty. As if he did not know already.
Rusty said,"Posted by Dr. Rusty Shackleford at 03:50 PM | Comments (9) | SandcrawlerTracks (0) | This Clinton W. Taylor dude is one sharp playah. It's surprising to learn he got through his grad school classes with an attitude like that."
I am explaining how he gamed grad school.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 27, 2005 08:39 AM (03F0I)
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Rod's right. It's the only way he could have kept from being failed given the political climate in our "institutes of higher learning".
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:43 AM (YudAC)
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Dr. Shackleford, Sadr will not be Sistani's replacement. He doesn't have the genetics, and besides, he is an Iranian sock puppet.
We tried to have him arrested for the machete murder of a competing cleric just after Gulf II, but couldn't do it. And we don't do assassinations.
;-)
Posted by: matoko kusanagi at August 27, 2005 11:50 AM (ha08A)
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Take him out? Dr. Rusty, you've been watching 700 Club again ... besides the fact that al-Sadr is a nasty little bugger, he happens to be the nasty little bugger on the side of OUR nasty little bugger, Ahmad "You tell me, I'll tell the Ayatollah" Chalabi. Their alliance is just ONE of the U.S. military's big problems in Iraq (the others being the insurgency, the sunnis, the shiites, the Iranians, the oil, the kurdish separatists, the oil THEY've got, the former baathists, the foreign fighters, the Iraqi population and Donald Rumsfeld) ... al-Sadr and Chalabi try to lend each other legitimacy, despite the fact that supposedly, the REAL power in Iraq, Iranian ulta-mullah Sistani, supposedly can't stand either man.
So the question is, if we "take out al-Sadr" what will that really buy us? the answer, to quote Jeb Bush during his failed 1994 gubernatorial campaign, "probably nothing."
Then again, I may not be up on who our scurilous allies are in Iraq these days, since I try to avoid the Neocon drivel on NRO and the Weekly Standard unless I absolutely have to... (or ate too many cheeseburgers over the weekend and am looking to make myself throw up...) /note to any of my lefty friends who happen to be reading Jawa, I was just kidding on that last one. please don't protest outside my house.../
Posted by: JReid at August 27, 2005 03:38 PM (X4Img)
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maybe he wants to "take him out" on a date. Rusty might think Sadr has "pretty lips".
Posted by: Mr. K at August 27, 2005 06:47 PM (aFc8I)
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By your implication, Rod, Rusty did exactly the same thing in grad school.
JReid, I was still kind of on the fence about Chalabi --I know smart people who are for him and against him--but that was before he took up for Sadr. I think AC's worn out his welcome.
Posted by: See-Dubya at August 27, 2005 07:27 PM (ttYIJ)
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Two Senior Police Killed in Sinai Sweep
(Cairo, Egypt) According to the Egyptian Interior Ministry, two senior police officers were killed by land mines during the
massive manhunt for terrorists in the Sinai.
From the Arab News:
Maj. Gen. Mahmoud Adel and Lt. Col. Omar Abdel Moneim were the highest ranked police officers killed in Egypt since a violent insurgency in the mid-1990s and the first slain since about 4,000 security personnel launched a massive sweep Sunday of the northern Sinai for suspects linked to July's triple Sharm El-Sheik attacks and October's bombings at the Taba and nearby Ras Shitan resorts.
Yesterday's blasts occurred after two land mines exploded on the 1,800-meter high Halal mountain, about 60 kilometers south of the Mediterranean coastal town of El-Arish, the Interior Ministry said in a statement.
On conditions of anonymity, officials stated that they believe fugitives, who traditionally hide in the Sinai's mountains, planted the mines. Egyptian security forces have detained 650 people thus far in the Sinai sweep which started last Sunday. A primary target still at large is Salem Khadr El-Shenoub, suspected of harboring terrorists linked to the Taba and Ras Shitan attacks.
Also worthy of mentioning is that the indigenous Bedouin tribesmen, steeped in knowledge of hideouts and smuggling routes, have emerged as key suspects sometimes and valuable informers at other times. However, in general, it's believed that the tribesmen collaborate with the terrorists at a level less than originally thought due to significantly different ideologies and interests. For instance, the autonomous Bedouins do not like to have the police looking at their affairs which is exactly what happens if they collaborate with the terrorists. So, unless there are family ties, I suspect the tribesmen don't provide a lot of help to the terrorists.
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They must be upset about Egypt's "brutal occupation" of the Sinai.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 03:36 PM (8e/V4)
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Jawapalooza at The American Political Science Association Mtg
I will be attending the
American Political Science Association's meeting in Washington, D.C., next Thursday to Sunday. If
you will be at the meeting, please leave a comment or e-mail me so we can get together.
The rest of you will not see me there. If you see me, you will not remember me. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.
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Rusty:
Just out of curiosity, did my post below remind you of this or did we just happen to think of it at the same time? If the latter, that's pretty cool. (Although the former is cool as well.)
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 01:48 PM (YjfFs)
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Shouldn't this one be called the Apsapalooza?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at August 26, 2005 01:56 PM (gYRfD)
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 02:48 PM (JQjhA)
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I call shotgun! I want the shotgun! Wait, that isn't want "shotgun" mean, right? Oh well.
Posted by: Wine-aholic at August 26, 2005 02:50 PM (Wsn+K)
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And that should read:
Wait, that isn't what "shotgun" means, right? Oh well.
Sometimes me gets a littles retarded, okee day?
Posted by: Wine-aholic at August 26, 2005 02:52 PM (Wsn+K)
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I thought Wine-aholic was some sort of 'sociologist' or something. Isn't that more like a 'scientologist' than a political scientist?
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 04:08 PM (JQjhA)
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I was thinking about dropping in.
Let me know when you'll be there.
Posted by: Mary Katharine at August 26, 2005 05:13 PM (UH4+S)
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Count me in. I'll be the white guy in the suit.
Posted by: Chris Lawrence at August 26, 2005 11:48 PM (AjTWC)
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I'll be there. Thursday through Sunday.
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Protein Wisdom Emits Small Pearl About APSA
Next week is the annual APSA (American Political Science Association) convention, which will be held this year in Washington, DC. A number of us affiliated with The Jawa Report plan to attend, but we'll probably not be in the majority. The unofficial theme of this conference of PoliSci eggheads is something like: "Dare We Call It Fascism?" And you know what the "it" is.
So, given that situation I found this observation by Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom darn near irresistible, bless his heart:
If it weren’t so very sad and transparent, it might just be amusing how many scholars in today’s progressivist academy purport to be “investigating” questions they are quite clearly begging, only to act “intrigued” by the cumulative “findings” they’ve so clearly predetermined.
Alas.
I'm planning to wear a small "stars and stripes" in my lapel pocket, just for the sheer Saul Alinsky in-your-face irony of it all. Anyone else willing to make the statement link to this post, or to the crosspost on Demosophia (or both) and we'll set up a meeting time and place. It'll be fun.
Update: Rusty has a better idea. Either leave a comment here, with your despammed email address or email me or Rusty.
Demosophia: demosophia-at-gmail-dot-com
Rusty: mypetjawa-at-gmail-dot-com
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Be prepared for a dry cleaning bill since you will probably be pelted with rancid fruit and eggs. Fight The Good Fight!
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The Rosary of the Left: Hail Cindy Sheehan, full of grace....
The Rosary of the the far left:
1) Make the Sign of the Ankh and say the "Leftist Creed."
I believe in Gaia, the Mother, who is the Spirit of earth; and in Casey, Her only Son, our fallen Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Lesbian Union of Gaia and Cindy, suffered under George W. Bush, was shot, died, and was buried. Mother Sheehan descended into Crawford, Texas; the third day she went back to California, only to reappear in Crawford. She will ascend into heaven after following around and pestering the Great Satan, and sit at the right hand of The Great Universal Spirit or Spirits (choose gender and number), the Almighty; from thence She shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in Noam Chomsky, the Holy Univerity Curriculum, the communion of all anti-establishment forces, the forgiveness of every one, especially those who don't change their ways, and the inevetable coming of the Communist Utopia. Amen.
2) Say the "Our Mother."
Our mother, who dwells in everything; hallowed be Thy name; Thy Socialist kingdom come; Thy will be done, or we will force it upon every one. Give us this day our daily organic bread; and no need to forgive us our tresspass since no one can own Mother Earth, and lead us not into corporate temptation; but deliver us from evil. Amen.
3) Say three "
Hail Cindys."
Hail Cindy, full of grace, Gaia is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Casey. Holy Cindy, The Incarnation of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death at the hands of greedy multinational corporations and Zionist neocons. Amen.
4) Say the "
Glory be to the Trinity."
Glory be to the Mother Earth, and to the Mother Earth Incarnate Cindy, and to the Holy Communion of all pre-Christian deities and New Age Universal Spirits. As it was in the beginning before mankind destroyed the Earth, and ever shall be after the overthrow of Bushhitler, world without end. Amen.
5) Announce the first mystery (
The Annunciation of Cindy by the Channeled Spirit of Zorfor, a Third Century BCE Zorastrian Mystic) then repeat "Our Mother."
6) Say ten "Hail Cindys," while meditating on the Mystery of the Annunciation.
7) Say the "Glory be to the Trinity."
Announce the Second Mystery (The Visitation of Cindy Sheehan to the Students Against the War Rally at San Francisco State University); then say the "Our Mother." Repeat 6 and 7 and continue with Third (The Naivite), Fourth (The Presentation of the Uturus to Mother Earth) and Fifth (The Finding of Cindy at a Lecture by Edward Said) Mysteries in the same manner.
After the Rosary:
HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of losing every election; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb. O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother Cindy!
Drum Circle Leader: Pray for us, O Holy Mother of Our Hopes.
Hippies Respond: That we may be made worthy of the promises of Marx.
Let us pray. O Gaia, whose only begotten Daughter, by Her life, Her son's death, and the resurrection of our hopes that this war will turn into another Vietnam, has purchased for us the rewards of political victory, grant, we beseech Thee, that meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Cindy Sheehan, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Cindy Sheehan. Amen.
After each decade say the following prayer requested by the Blessed and Holy Ward Churchill: "O my Cindy,
forgive the sins of the PNAC Zionist pigs and Imperialist aggressors who forced the brave freedom fighters of al Qaeda to kill the deserving collaboraters, save us from the fires of Guantanamo Bay, lead all souls to protest McChimpy's war, especially those who have most need of a bath, a job, and a steady dose of lithium. Amen."
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I'll believe there's something special about "Cindy!" when there's evidence that Casey Sheehan was the product of a virgin birth. Not before.
Posted by: Russ at August 26, 2005 11:52 AM (utsLN)
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Hi
While I love the blog and I agree with you on this whole Cindy Sheehan thing, I have to say that I found the "Cindy Rosary" kind of offensive.
Maybe it's just me, and I know it was meant as humour, but still... Sorry to be a wet rag, but the Rosary is important to me, and this just struck me as wrong.
Anyhow, love the site, keep up the good work.
Posted by: Lonevoice at August 26, 2005 11:56 AM (h5F83)
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I wonder if there's someone around who is already kind of "famous" and who has a son in Iraq who might set up some kind of media events, and start making speeches that include all these talking points about Cindy Sheehan? Find someone more photogenic and appealing than Cindy Sheehan and shove her ass right off the page.
I mean, the whole phenomenon is stupid, to be sure, but if this is the level that MSM operates on why not play the game, and do it better? We've got "Babes for Bush," who are clearly better looking and more appealing than their idiotarian counterparts, so why can't be do the same thing with some more mature women who are service moms? I know they rounded up some of these folks, but did they pay much attention no the PR appeal when they did it? If not, it won't grab much media attention.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 12:17 PM (BW2C6)
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Rusty, you are in fact going to hell.
But I suspect you knew THAT long ago.
Posted by: caltechgirl at August 26, 2005 12:24 PM (ZqNBm)
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Just a note: Our server will be down for an hour starting 5AM CST this Saturday. Do not adjust your bookmarks; the Jawas will return!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 26, 2005 12:26 PM (ymzzr)
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Lonevoice,
Rusty didn't mean no harm by it.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 01:02 PM (8e/V4)
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Since I am a South Parkian Baptist I will be in good company in hell. Who wants to go to heaven where only Mormons dwell?
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 01:12 PM (JQjhA)
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I'm with caltechgirl, pack sunscreen and aloe.
Blasphemer.
Posted by: Defense Guy at August 26, 2005 01:15 PM (jPCiN)
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I will be in good company in hell.
Oh yeah? Two words:
Michael Moore.
'Nuff said.
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 01:36 PM (CouWh)
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I say the real version of the prayer whilst working out. My wife and I are sure to say it together once/week.
Nonetheless I have one thing to say: ROTFLMAO!
Hey, did you see that story about the BS letters from the little girll being pushed by a campus newspaper in Illinois? For two years they published letters from a "little girl" (complete with cute little girl mispelling) asking her daddy in Irak not to die and then published letters from "the little girl" to President Bush when "he does die". Do you have your own soldier in Irak?
Michelle Malkin is a good place to start looking for it.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at August 26, 2005 02:21 PM (d/JUe)
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Well, now, Rusty, looks like the left has "found' religion after all. Whoo hoo! And your local Starbucks can be the chapel, if there's not a local ditch handy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 26, 2005 02:23 PM (DDXXI)
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And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Posted by: Michael at August 26, 2005 03:37 PM (bJ0qq)
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Are you supposed to link someone's post when you send a trackback?
Just asking.
Posted by: John from WuzzaDem at August 26, 2005 03:43 PM (Pt3Le)
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Funny, yet also made me cringe a bit. Oh well
Posted by: Prince of Perksia at August 26, 2005 04:02 PM (Mop+d)
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im going to hell and im taking over....gonna punish those freakin Mikey Moore backers oh sooooooooooooo good....{place evil laughter here}and Mikey hisself.....hmmmmmm, gonna make him eat dozens and dozens of twinkies till he explodes, reassemble him and start all over for all eternity
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This ding bat is claiming to be talking with her son in heaven just what kind of wacky weed has she been nipping on?
Posted by: sandpiper at August 27, 2005 05:06 PM (qMAo+)
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I linked to this, tried to trackback, says I ain't allowed to. Oh well, it's funny.
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Media Still Giving Sheehan Undeserved Coverage

A screenshot (click to enlarge) from Google News. 1,792 stories about Cindy Sheehan vigil. No front page links to stories about Sheehan's antisemetism, anti-americanism, or conspiracy theories.
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It's Sheehanapalooza. Don't you dig it? Everyone have fun tonite. Everyone Sheehanapalooza tonite.
Posted by: lawhawk at August 26, 2005 10:15 AM (AcoYr)
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Rusty,
Is it possible the woman has lost it? Could she be taking medication? If she is, shouldn't we all be told? If she is being medicated this might explain her odd behavior.
Posted by: Kstumpf at August 26, 2005 10:37 AM (GImrl)
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Being on the hard left is a form of dellusionalism. Unfortunately, there are no medications. Except maybe beer. Yeah, beer might help.
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 10:58 AM (JQjhA)
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these find americans deserve more attention. Note also check out the slideshow of pro troop parents and supporters decorating the crosses old Cindy put up.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/IraqCoverage/story?id=1066030&page=1
Posted by: Howie at August 26, 2005 10:58 AM (D3+20)
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Vultures to vultures, and whores to whores, birds of a feather flock together.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:32 AM (0yYS2)
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If the press suppresses a story, is that a lack of press freedom? One would think that if a segment of the population were not being represented within the press that the market potential would motivate some new entries. As a result, I'm less inclined to see this as bias, than to see it as a kind of industry-wide paradigm failure. They have what they think is the "hot story," and it's easy to just keep churning out the same old boilerplate, so anything that makes the job tougher or more challenging is just ash-canned.
I mean, FOX isn't reporting the full story either.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 12:03 PM (BW2C6)
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yea, hey Cindy, i got a good conspiracy theory for you....wanna know who killed Jimmy Hoffa and where his body is???....first, i did, and he is buried in the trunk of my car...believe that and i got some good swamp land in Florida for ya
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The MSM/DNC will give top billing to anyone that calls Bush a terrorist. No matter who. They hate America so they hate Bush and are blinded by their bigotry. Has been this way since at least 1956 and probably longer.
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How do a bunch of vultures talk with a old dumb clucking hen? CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK UURRRKK UURRKK UURRKKK we sandpipers just tend to stay away
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TTLB Hijinks
Rusty
notes that we've moved from 28th to 18th in one day, and he's skeptical.
My individual blog leapt up 1,000 places in a day, and I've noticed some wild fluctuations in link numbers for Reynolds and Malkin. One possible explanation for all this is that NZ periodically cleans out the
splogs, and bloggers purge their systems of spam, which alters the ecosystem's distribution and also changes the "species boundaries," which are probably based on statistical algorithms. The splog purges would tend to impact highly linked blogs more than those of us in the lower life forms, because the larger hit counts are more attractive to the spammers.
I'm not an expert here, and I'm not even sure how splogging works, but from a statistical standpoint it makes sense.
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No, something goofy's going on. Mine's gone up, too.
Posted by: Dave Schuler at August 26, 2005 10:50 AM (GGDE0)
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Wow, I'm a Marauding Marsupial now. Oh, if I only were a higher life form...
Posted by: IO ERROR at August 26, 2005 11:30 AM (HaVXj)
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I'm up almost 1,000 spots. Everyone can't be moving up.
I think there is a bigger explanation out there.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 26, 2005 12:16 PM (JXdhy)
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I hit
number 3 at one point. Unfortunately, it got corrected...
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 26, 2005 12:24 PM (ymzzr)
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This happens now and then. It seems to shake back to where it was before in a week or so.
Posted by: Justene at August 26, 2005 01:37 PM (+akC4)
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Now Michelle isn't even listed! Jawa has dropped one spot, to 19th, and I've risen another 300 places (plus the 1000 I'd already piled up). Definitely something screwy.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 26, 2005 03:31 PM (pW6Hs)
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Don't take my Marauding Marsupial status away!
Posted by: tee bee at August 26, 2005 04:15 PM (q1JHF)
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Dude, you've like, "companion posted at Demosophia" at least 1300 times though. I've counted.
hahahahahahahaha
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Mad Dog:
Dude, you've like, "companion posted at Demosophia" at least 1300 times though. I've counted.
Yeah, it'd be great if TTLB counted that, but unfortunately it all counts as one link. :-( And since I'm on the blogroll anyway, it's all worthless in terms of the ranking. Now, if it were 1300 separate blogs that'd be different.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 27, 2005 02:18 AM (loZHr)
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Same on mine, which was up to "Flappy Bird" for about a day and a half. It's back down to "Slithering Reptile" now.
Posted by: hatless in hattiesburg at August 27, 2005 05:32 AM (A6UZ4)
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OK, I admit it. Something is really screwed up. My "inbound unique" links dropped in half overnight, yet I'm still listed as a marauding marsupial and I continued to
move up in the ecosystem, and my average daily visits suddenly leapt up by 50%. Total nonsense.
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I dropped 8,000 places over the weekend.
My placing is probably more accurate now that my numbers more reflect the number of links that I am amare of which is about 15 and not the 102 the ecosystem seemed to think I had. I wonder if it was counting links from my posts to my blog.
As disheartning as it might be, I would rather have an accurate reading of where my blog stands, which apparently is pretty darn low.
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'Allies' in Yemen Threaten to Behead Journalist
Jane at Armies of Liberation has the scoop:
Jamal ‘Amir, editor in chief of the Yemenite independent weekly Al-Wasat said armed men blindfolded him, pushed him into a vehicle and took him to a remote location near the capital ‘Sana.
They beat him and threatened to cut off his tongue or to kill him and behead him, the London-based Al-Hayyat reported. He was released more than four hours laterÂ….
Just armed thugs, right? Maybe al Qaeda?
The assailants, dressed in plain clothes but driving a vehicle with military license plates, beat Amer and threatened to kill him. They warned Amer that his childrenÂ’s safety would be threatened if he continued with his investigative reporting or reported his abduction to the authorities. Reports say the assailants condemned Amer for writing on corruption within the government and interrogated him about other writers and editors at Al-Wasat.
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there is no limits to the lows to the Yemeni government is capable of sinking in order to protect their money and power. thanks for the linky dude.
Posted by: Jane at August 26, 2005 08:58 AM (ywZa8)
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So in yemen they dont like liberal left-wing journalist i,ll bet its one place DAN RATHER will never go anymore
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This is terrible. The one place we are NOT! I wonder what the Left-commies would say to this? Ah, no I don't. I know. It is our fault for some reason or another. I hate this.
Posted by: Rosemary at August 27, 2005 10:38 PM (SkcnB)
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Massive Manhunt on for Terrorists in Germany (UPDATE: Caught)
UPDATE: The men have been caught and they are Chechens.
Via ITB this from Reuters:
Three Chechen men who were overheard at a bus stop talking about becoming “heroes before Allah” were detained and questioned on Friday after sparking a major security alert in Germany, but police said they did not appear to have been planning an attack.
Hamburg police said the men, aged from 21 to 25, had been found after a manhunt in which more than 1,000 officers had thrown up overnight roadblocks and scoured GermanyÂ’s second city.
Hamburg police chief Reinhard Chedor told a news conference: “At the moment I don’t believe there were any concrete attack plans.” He said the men were being held for further questioning and declined to give further details.
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Elections are coming up in Germany and Schroedder is trailing in the polls. Now is the time to get tough on terrorists. Notice the Clintonian policy of not starting a manhunt for the terrorists because police didn't want to interfere in a criminal investigation. Treating terrorism as common act of criminality is what gave us 9/11. Also, recall that Hamburg was at the center of the 9/11 plot. Radical Islamists roots run deep in that city.
LA Times:
More than 1,000 police officers were deployed Thursday to search for three suspected terrorists, a police spokesman said.
Roadblocks and controls were set up at 12 points in this northern port city after an Arabic-speaking witness overheard the men praising Allah and heroism Wednesday at a bus stop. One was carrying a backpack.
Police said the three men had been recorded by video surveillance cameras and their pictures would be released.
"We don't know at this point whether there is something to the tip or not," Hamburg state Interior Minister Udo Nagel said at a news conference. There were no concrete clues about any attack, he said.
The witness told police he heard one of the men use the phrase "heroism before Allah." The men then boarded a bus.
A police official said the launch of the search and release of information was delayed a day because the police did not want to jeopardize their initial criminal investigation.
Hat tip to
Reliapundit who has more here.
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Oh, how nice. They're looking for terrorists they will probably either let go or give a light sentence to. And then they'll blame the US and then the rest of Europe will chime-in agreeing. I can't wait.
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I'm a happy kafir

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Is Kuffar the plural of Kafir? I want that shirt.
Posted by: tyler at August 26, 2005 08:45 AM (Y9Lwb)
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If you wear that in South Africa it means you're a happy black man.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 08:54 AM (8e/V4)
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I think in SA it's keffir, but I'm not sure.
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Jawa is #18?
Ecosystem must be way screwed up.

I, for one, find it hard to believe that this blog could go from 28 to 18 in a matter of days, and not have a single post with more than 5 trackbacks.
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And I remember when you were just a wee little fellow.
Posted by: elliott at August 26, 2005 08:10 AM (XlQVK)
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I went from "Flappy Bird" to "Adorable Little Rodent" overnight. Same # of incoming links too, which doesn't make much sense either.
I know I saw a bunch of SQL errors on TTLB yesterday.
Posted by: tyler at August 26, 2005 08:11 AM (Y9Lwb)
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It would be nice, though, to believe it was true ;-)
SPW-where have you been all summer?
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 08:19 AM (JQjhA)
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We gave up on TTLB when we went from 32 to 300 overnight, with no change in links. After that, it got worse. We now concentrate on traffic, which is fine, and discount the TTLB all together.
That having been said, Jawa Report us a damned good blog and deserves the rank. Let's hope TTLB is right for once - and keeps JR up there were it ought to be.
Posted by: Richard at August 26, 2005 08:21 AM (xFeJi)
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It is wierd. Two days ago I was an adorable little rodent, yesterday I went back up to a marauding marsupial and today I plunged down to a flappy bird.
I'm getting dizzy.
Posted by: Oyster at August 26, 2005 08:38 AM (fl6E1)
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Either The Ecosystem or Sitemeter has to be having a hickup. bRight & Early has moved up to #201 while average daily visitors have gone down below 50/day. But until the universe rights itself I'm going to claim the title, "The Most Linked To Blog No One Is Reading." (And all of this without being on the Jawa Report blogroll).
Posted by: bRight & Early at August 26, 2005 08:44 AM (ywZa8)
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Just screwing around with a project or two I needed to get done.
Posted by: elliott at August 26, 2005 09:11 AM (XlQVK)
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Call me crazy, but it looks like Jawa is actually 19.
Posted by: Kstumpf at August 26, 2005 10:34 AM (GImrl)
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Cough. Yeah, trackbacks. Cough.
(Trackbacks were shut down for the best part of a day when we started having problems again. Maybe a lot of people posted links saying your blog was down?)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 26, 2005 12:40 PM (ymzzr)
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Must be broke, I am in the Top100!
God Bless quirkiness!
/TJ
Posted by: TJ at August 26, 2005 02:19 PM (PL7dL)
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I've dropped from being in the 50's to the 90's.
Lousy way to spend my blogiversary week.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at August 26, 2005 07:30 PM (ov6Vw)
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Haaaa! Down to 29. How awful.
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And now GeeoorgeÂ….Stephanopoulos !!!!!!!
Sorry Sam I always wanted to do that. I see that when the former Clinton Administration advisor turned journalist George Stephanopoulos suggested
that Saddam be Assassinated no one even raised an eyebrow.
"Assassination may be Clinton's best option," the future "This Week" host urged. "If we can kill Saddam, we should."... ..."If Clinton decides we can and should assassinate Saddam, he could call in national-security adviser Sandy Berger and sign a secret National Security Decision Directive authorizing it."
Well now that kind of puts the Robertson thing in perspective.
See here.
And here.
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Not that I advocate assassination (who would lose sleep if Saddam was suddenly room temperature)... but to paraphrase Rusty, if you can't tell the difference between Saddam and Chavez, you're an idiot.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at August 25, 2005 09:41 PM (BueBw)
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Oh yeah they're way different. Ones taller than the other. One speaks Arabic the other Spanish. Must I go on.
Posted by: Howie at August 25, 2005 09:56 PM (D3+20)
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....one admires old Joe Stalin the other Fidel Castro. Ones a facist the other a communist. One supported Al Qaida the other the FARC. To paraphrase Rusty : See how this works?
Posted by: Howie at August 25, 2005 10:08 PM (D3+20)
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... there's one born every minute I guess.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at August 25, 2005 10:32 PM (BueBw)
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Pat Robertson apologized. Did Stephanopolous?
Interesting how a Democrat GOVERNMENT official could say something like that without a peep in response from the mainstream media and all those currently "outraged", while a PRIVATE individual like Pat Robertson who thinks out loud about it sends them into a tizzy.
How can we take such people seriously? They're like children.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 12:35 AM (8e/V4)
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"Professor", may I be the first to congratulate you on how well you mark the minute?
Posted by: Phillep at August 26, 2005 01:37 AM (zNjIG)
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Heh, let's see Berger put that in his pants....
Posted by: caltechgirl at August 26, 2005 03:15 AM (ZqNBm)
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I agree with the professor. You people are idiots.
Posted by: Ralph at August 26, 2005 07:18 AM (qCIKZ)
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Oh come on Professor Nostril Van Peterbreath. It's a double standard. If a Dem calls to knock off a dictator it's OK. If a Rep does it Oh my. I thought the argument the other day was the US should never ever put out a hit on anyone. Also if Saddam was no threat why would he deserve killin. I'm not talking about the degree to which either dictator deserved it.
Hey my name calling is more creative than your name calling. Ooh gee I',m a sucker Oh my I'm an idiot. Sniffle..choke sniffle.
Posted by: Howie at August 26, 2005 08:35 AM (D3+20)
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Dang, Howie! You're on roll here. First, the great detective work on Stephanopoulos, then you come up with "Professor Nostril Van Peterbreath".
hahahaha.
Posted by: Oyster at August 26, 2005 08:55 AM (fl6E1)
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Oh, so now the Libs are pretending Robertson's comments were "outrageous" only because Chavez is such a swell guy. bwahaha!
And so it goes.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 08:57 AM (8e/V4)
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Oyster Gee thanks but yer spellin is better. I always forget that greek thing.
Posted by: Howie at August 26, 2005 09:15 AM (D3+20)
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George stupidnopolous the little adolecent who cant think what a dweeb
Posted by: sandpiper at August 26, 2005 09:27 AM (poF4d)
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Maybe the bigger difference is that Roberston is an evangelist, which you typically don't associate with calls for assassination? At least not in the western world, anyways. Which would make sense why the media would have a field day with it, and not Stephanopoulos' comment.
Posted by: Venom at August 26, 2005 09:39 AM (dbxVM)
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Now Venom wants us to believe the liberal community respects Pat Robertson's status as an evangelist. Please, oh please, you can't pile the shit any higher, guys.
The reason the left has no credibility has everything to do with hypocrisy. They condemn it only if a conservative does it. There's always a different standard for a liberal.
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with getting rid of both the bastards, but the good professor would object with Chavez, mainly because he likes the piece of shit. Well, you know what they say, "Birds of a feather...flock together.
How about it, Prof? Can you be any more of a hypocrit than what you are?
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 26, 2005 10:21 AM (DDXXI)
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Heh, Nostril Van Peterbreath, that's a good one. Almost did a spit take on that one. I salute you, you magnificent bastard!
Seriously though, I have read many posts by this moron Van Peterbreath, (I'm gonna flog that one to death), and the idiot has never posted anything resembling substantive argument, but instead relies solely on circular rhetoric, hysterical hyperbole, and ad hominem attacks. Not that there's anything wrong with a good ad hominem, but as a general rule it's only good as a finishing touch, and can't be the core of the argument. "You're a poopy head!" just doesn't carry the same weight as a well-made logic-based rhetorical argument. The Greeks knew this three thousand years ago, and the libidiots still haven't figured it out.
The sad part is that all the idiot leftards that come to conservative blogs and post their moronic drivel, which on DU and Kos get them acclaims and hosannahs, and which they expect here, are shocked to discover that they have come to batter down the walls of a fortress with nothing more than water balloons. This however doesn't stop them from proclaiming victory once the walls are thoroughly wetted. Watching these poor simpletons work is like watching a Monty Python skit with twice the absurdity, but none of the humor; it's just sad.
Posted by: Imrobulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:51 AM (0yYS2)
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Joe, I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. People were commenting why Stephanopoulos' comment didn't raise an eyebrow from anyone, while Robertson's did. I think the fact that an evangelist made a call for an assassination is pretty surprising. I didn't say anything about how the left or right views either comment - I was simply stating a reason why the *media* picked up on one and not the other. Thanks for missing the point and trying to argue something different. Now, I'll let you argue how you didn't miss it, and was arguing along those lines the whole time.
Posted by: Venom at August 26, 2005 11:59 AM (dbxVM)
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Well this poor undereducated redneck who knocks heads with engineers and MBA's on a daily basis and never gives up has earned himself the right to leave early today. Got some work to do over the weekend. Should be no sweat but seeins how I gots over 40 already I'm outta here.
Posted by: Howie at August 26, 2005 12:00 PM (D3+20)
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Venom,
have you ever heard of Dietrich Bonhoeffer? I'll give you a little hint, he's one of the greatest theologians in the 20th century-- and a political assassin.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 12:26 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 12:39 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
Not too familiar with him, and I'd bet most aren't. Maybe you'd like to enlighten all of his as to how he's similar to Pat Robertson as it pertains to calling for the assassination of world leaders (unless, of course, you're referring to his struggle against Nazism - which might make a vast number of the world's population back then "political assassins." But I'm sure you're referring to something else I'm not aware of.
And, I think my statement still stands to some extent, and that was it's not common (or even expected) to hear an evangelist make a call for the assassination of someone. I'm sure it's been done before, but I'm pretty sure it's not often.
Posted by: Venom at August 26, 2005 12:45 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom,
no, it's not common for religious people to openly suggest political assassination, and I personally think Pat Robertson was a fool to say something like that openly. It kind of defeats the purpose to say those things publicly because now if Chavez dies they'll know who did it. Plus it just gives cheap points to people with an anti-christian axe to grind.
The reason I raised the example of Bonhoeffer is that today he is loved by Liberals because they consider him a "pacifist" christian. It's true he started that way and was mentored by the great christian pacifist of his day, Michael Moller. But he obviously had a change of heart, of which he speaks about in his prison writings, because he was killed by Hitler for his involvement in a plot to assassin said fuhrer. Bonhoeffer died a man of conscience-- and a would-be political assassin.
What does this have to do with Pat Robertson? Simply that religious people of conscience will resort even to political assassination for what they perceive as the greater good, so Robertson is no exception.
Your only logical response therefore is that Chavez is no Hitler. That's fine, he isn't. But considering just the other day your teammates were claiming Saddam was no threat to us, how then can you excuse Stephanopolous for putting a hit on him?
My greater point is that this is nothing more than gotcha politics and that the mainstream media is only too happy to play along with your team.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 01:16 PM (8e/V4)
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minor correction of little consequence: not Michael Moller, but Jean Lasserre.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 01:21 PM (8e/V4)
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Good points. Though, if a religious person (even Bonhoeffer)who was following the pacifistic tendencies of their religion and then abandons them by advocating the killing of others, I'd suggest that that person is abandoning some of the very tenets of their religion - which, I'd say, might make them seem considerably less religious. Does this make Pat Robertson "less religious" from the traditionally accepted "love-thy-neighbour" definition of a Christian? Maybe, though I guess it depends on how often he's done this. And it kinda goes back to what I think we both agree on, and that is that you typically don't see prominant Christian figures calling for the killing of others. Because to do so abandons some fundamental beliefs of Christianity. Which is why it's surprising to hear Robertson and not Stephanopoulos.
And, I'd hardly call the left my teammates, though. Just because I don't buy into the whole bullshit neocon philosophy doesn't make me a leftist (or a liberal, for that matter).
Posted by: Venom at August 26, 2005 01:32 PM (dbxVM)
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Venom,
Only a few very small denominations consider pacifism a basic tenet of christianity. Most denominations don't. But nobody, NOBODY, would consider Bonhoeffer less religious for his decision to assassinate Hitler.
American evangelicals are most certainly not pacifists, and don't claim to be. Even so, most have criticized Robertson's comments as foolish and counter productive, but generally for the reasons I gave you. And it's not the first time Robertson has embarrassed us. He should retire.
Posted by: Carlos at August 26, 2005 01:49 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos, don't let Venom derail the original premise of what's going on here. Evangelist or not, if it's to be condemned, it matters not who said it. Attacking the messenger for this (Robertson rather than Stephanopoulos) is simply a way to change focus from what was said to who said it.
The only reasonable argument here is that Robertson is a hypocrite for saying it, because it was just plain wrong for either of them to suggest it.
It's like an ex-con who robs a bank or an upstanding citizen who robs a bank. Is one worse than the other simply because it might be expected of the ex-con?
Posted by: Oyster at August 26, 2005 02:22 PM (fl6E1)
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The original premise was that Robertson's call for the assassination of Chavez got saturation coverage from the MSM while Stepanopolus received no critisism or coverage from the same bunch for saying basically the same thing. What Rusty meant to show was the hypocrisy of the media. They condemn something when a conservative does whatever but say nothing when a liberal does the same thing.
And that is exactly what the media does!
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 26, 2005 02:38 PM (DDXXI)
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If the forces had only dropped a grenade down( to bad he didn't have greasy fingers) that spider hole Oooops we may not be where things are today!
And saving a military tribunal.
Posted by: Gerry M. at August 26, 2005 04:46 PM (MElsG)
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Apparantly Chavez needs to do more destabilizing of his neighbors & support of terrorists/ism to be considered Saddam's equal.
Posted by: h0mi at August 26, 2005 06:01 PM (zpJBl)
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French University Publishes Top al Qaeda Speeches
Presses Universitaires de France has published a new book which documents the speeches of top al Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden and Aymal al Zawahiri.
LeMonde runs a full page review of the book, but pans it because the prose of Zawahiri can't really be compared to the genius of the Ayatollah Khomenei or with the Muslim Brotherhood's Sayyid Qutb--
those guys really knew how to put antisemetism and islamofascist utopianism into words!.
And besides, says the Le Monde reviewer, how come the authors of the book didn't challenge al Qaeda's assertion that jihad is somehow a call for violence when every one know that jihad is an internal struggle thing, right?
You gotta love the French.......
Hat tip: No Passaran
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Sacré dieu! Incroyable...je pense que les idiots de LeMonde peuvent manger de la merde. Tous sont sals chameaux.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at August 25, 2005 07:14 PM (RHG+K)
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Are the French really this stupid?
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 25, 2005 07:42 PM (DDXXI)
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Jesus H. tapdancing Christ, the frogistanis are scum, and go to the greatest lengths to demonstrate it constantly.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 25, 2005 10:33 PM (0yYS2)
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Unbelievable.
Why do the French left get in bed with any 3rd world fascist and ultra-right wing war monger?
Posted by: moradali at August 26, 2005 12:34 AM (FZ5hy)
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Is sacre bleu, or however the French write it, actually just "holy blue"?
Oh, PUdF does have every right to publish that stuff, and besides, those Muslim extremists are funny with their crappy outdated guns and pompous threats to destroy everyone whose ancestors were forced to believe in the Jews god and the dead cult leader who claimed to be his son.
Posted by: A Finn at August 26, 2005 04:06 AM (cWMi4)
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A 'right' to publish something? Who said they don't have a right to be assholes?
Posted by: Rusty at August 26, 2005 07:54 AM (JQjhA)
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I believe A Finn is A Troll.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 26, 2005 10:38 AM (DDXXI)
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This is a good thing. People don't pay enough attention to what AQ are saying; they just treat them as militant radicals with a grievance. Or even worse, treat them as a product of the Israel/Arab issue.
AQ speeches always speak of Andalusia, grand designs and such. The more that their plan for a worldwide caliphate is discussed, the better. The more we "understand" them, the more we can "condemn" their core beliefs as well as their actions.
Posted by: JawaReader at August 26, 2005 11:43 AM (ThnR1)
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"Sacrë bleu" (holy blue) is a euphemism for "sacrë dieu" (holy God), like saying "jeepers creepers" instead of "Jesus Christ".
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at August 26, 2005 01:21 PM (RHG+K)
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Did they get any help from WARD CHURHILL?
Posted by: sandpiper at August 27, 2005 05:13 PM (qMAo+)
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Another al Qaeda Terrorist Captured in Iraq
As I've said a million times before, regardless of the reasons we went into Iraq, we are
now fighting al Qaeda there.
CENTCOM:
Coalition forces captured a known Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member, two suspected terrorists and destroyed a terrorist sanctuary, weapons and equipment near Al Asad Aug. 23.
Acting on tips from local Iraqis, Coalition forces raided the hide-out and confirmed that the location was being used by the terrorist to facilitate weapons and vehicle borne improvised explosive device (VBIED) operations.
After he was captured, the Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member provided information about related terrorist activity in the area. Based upon this information, Coalition forces captured two suspected terrorists. Coalition forces also captured and destroyed a VBIED and two weapons caches consisting of mortars, rockets and rocket propelled grenades.
And to my friend at Centcom--this is the kind of story we like to read.
UPDATE: Dread Pundit Bluto has more.
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What you don't mention is that Iraq is also the greatest recruiting tool we could have possibly given to al Qaeda.
"I kill one and create three."
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at August 25, 2005 05:04 PM (BueBw)
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Well, Peter, we always have you to keep us in line. Gosh, thanx so much.
Posted by: Oyster at August 25, 2005 05:08 PM (YudAC)
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"prof. Peter Von Nostrand" has appeared on many of milblog sites always spouting his "risk losing" strategies... i.e. he couldn't even win a effin game of Risk with his limp wristed sh*tty ideas.
I think he is just a plant and no sane person will give any credence to his ill conceived "objections".
Posted by: Constantine at August 25, 2005 05:27 PM (Kk4wv)
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I
posted about this on Wednesday, that's how far ahead of the curve I am. But seriously, sorry about the double-tap on the protestor story, though I think it was worth repeating.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at August 25, 2005 07:18 PM (RHG+K)
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PPVN = troll
.delete or .ignore .. problem solved!
/TJ
Posted by: TJ at August 26, 2005 05:59 AM (/0bzs)
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My favorite line in the whole article?
Acting on tips from local Iraqis....
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 08:11 AM (CouWh)
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Prof Peter,
Say isn't that synonommous with Professional Dick?
What a tires and BS line. No moderate has been converted into a terrorist by anything the US has done in Iraq. The worst weve done is we've gotten the loud talkers to actually shut their mouths and go blow themselves up. Not a huge loss in my tally.
But even accepting the nonsensical argument. IT is the same as the Civil Rights marches in the South were a bad idea because for every racist confronted three more were created.
Anybody knows, you don't cure an infection by ignoring it.
Posted by: TSgt Cismar at August 26, 2005 05:28 PM (yuxaa)
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You can run but you can not hide gotcha
Posted by: sandpiper at August 27, 2005 05:14 PM (qMAo+)
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Roadside Bomb Hits Russian Governor's Motorcade

Ingushetia neighbors Chechnya and is racked by the same ROP inspired violence. Xinhua:
Two powerful explosions rocked a southern Russian republic Thursday afternoon, injuring the prime minister of the republic and killing one of his guards.
Ibragim Malsagov, the prime minister of Russia's North Caucasus republic of Ingushetia, was wounded in the leg in an assassination attempt in Nazran, the main city of the republic, at 2:25 p.m. Moscow time (1025 GMT), a regional interior ministry official was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying.
Malsagov was rushed to hospital and doctors confirmed that his life was not in danger.
However, one of his guards was killed and at least two others were injured in the blasts.
Officials said attackers detonated two bombs as Malsagov's motorcade passed through central Nazran, with the first blast meant to divert attention.
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Wooohoooo! Go separatists! Bomb dem Russians! Oops, I mean, a terrible tragedy, I hope the remains of the Soviet Union don't fall apart and Putin can keep peace without resorting to force.
Posted by: A Finn at August 26, 2005 03:54 AM (cWMi4)
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I find it tragically ironic that Russians are selling arms and ordnance to the Iraqis while fighting against Chechens. That country is screwed up.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:55 AM (0yYS2)
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The Russians sell weapons to everybody, even Chechens..
Posted by: Ren at August 26, 2005 02:35 PM (7ZsmI)
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Not even the russians are safe from these al queda freaks well let the russians go after the terrorists with theyr AK-47s fully loaded
Posted by: sandpiper at August 27, 2005 09:47 PM (GOyHB)
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